Comments on: Think of address proof http://nirlog.com/2007/09/22/think-of-address-proof/ Technology, Life and other stuff that come along... Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:26:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.7 by: Niranjan Kunwar http://nirlog.com/2007/09/22/think-of-address-proof/#comment-81067 Sun, 28 Oct 2007 15:28:24 +0000 http://nirlog.com/2007/09/22/think-of-address-proof/#comment-81067 Hi Nabin, thanks for the compliment. I hope to get back to regular writing soon. Hi Nabin,

thanks for the compliment. I hope to get back to regular writing soon.

]]> by: ajabgajab.blogspot.com http://nirlog.com/2007/09/22/think-of-address-proof/#comment-80766 Sat, 27 Oct 2007 06:03:37 +0000 http://nirlog.com/2007/09/22/think-of-address-proof/#comment-80766 Nice write up! I liked your style. keep writing Nice write up!
I liked your style.
keep writing

]]> by: Niranjan Kunwar http://nirlog.com/2007/09/22/think-of-address-proof/#comment-80082 Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:35:54 +0000 http://nirlog.com/2007/09/22/think-of-address-proof/#comment-80082 Hi Pawan, what a surprise! I'm glad that you stumbled upon my blog. Yes, the address proof is quite a problem here, but fortunately for the credit history they take into account international record as well. So, how're you doing? I'll write you shortly at your email address. Take care, Niranjan Hi Pawan,

what a surprise! I’m glad that you stumbled upon my blog. Yes, the address proof is quite a problem here, but fortunately for the credit history they take into account international record as well.

So, how’re you doing? I’ll write you shortly at your email address.

Take care,
Niranjan

]]> by: Pawan http://nirlog.com/2007/09/22/think-of-address-proof/#comment-80079 Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:11:07 +0000 http://nirlog.com/2007/09/22/think-of-address-proof/#comment-80079 Hello Niranjan dai, Good to hear/read that you're doing well in UK. We face a similar problem when we first get to the US- not proof of address but credit history. You need to have an established credit history for many things- buying a (non-prepaid)cell phone and getting a new apartment being the two things new Nepali students would be trying to do.When you're new, you have to either put in a ridiculous amount of deposit, or have a co-signer for the contract. And its the same chicken-and-egg story--you need a line of credit and a history of timely payment on contracts( credit card payments, phone bills, apartment rent etc) to build a credit history and you need an established credit history to get approved for the things that help establish a credit history. It sounds very confusing and well...retarded to a 19 year old who just got to the country! Fast forward five years and you now have an established history and banks have given you credit cards with a great line of credit..and guess what-you've blown it all on college tuitions!! That's the story of almost every Nepali student. You have a great blog, keep it up. I'm really glad I stumbled upon it. Pawan. Hello Niranjan dai,
Good to hear/read that you’re doing well in UK. We face a similar problem when we first get to the US- not proof of address but credit history. You need to have an established credit history for many things- buying a (non-prepaid)cell phone and getting a new apartment being the two things new Nepali students would be trying to do.When you’re new, you have to either put in a ridiculous amount of deposit, or have a co-signer for the contract.
And its the same chicken-and-egg story–you need a line of credit and a history of timely payment on contracts( credit card payments, phone bills, apartment rent etc) to build a credit history and you need an established credit history to get approved for the things that help establish a credit history. It sounds very confusing and well…retarded to a 19 year old who just got to the country!
Fast forward five years and you now have an established history and banks have given you credit cards with a great line of credit..and guess what-you’ve blown it all on college tuitions!! That’s the story of almost every Nepali student.
You have a great blog, keep it up. I’m really glad I stumbled upon it.
Pawan.

]]> by: Niranjan Kunwar http://nirlog.com/2007/09/22/think-of-address-proof/#comment-76595 Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:16:27 +0000 http://nirlog.com/2007/09/22/think-of-address-proof/#comment-76595 Hi Lindsay, You made the point very clear. Actually I knew the thinking behind address proof (even though they're trying to control at the wrong place). But was not so clear about the tv taxes, thanks for the enlightening comment. I agree with you about the necessity of news that we can trust as real news. I've noticed not only news but the documentaries and movies are without ads here. That's really something... In Hong Kong people are bombarded with 5 min. ads after every 15 min. of program. You just feel like smashing the tv. So, I guess tv tax is a fair deal... you pay for quality, trust and your time. We're enjoying the new discoveries and new life in UK. Hi Lindsay,

You made the point very clear. Actually I knew the thinking behind address proof (even though they’re trying to control at the wrong place). But was not so clear about the tv taxes, thanks for the enlightening comment.

I agree with you about the necessity of news that we can trust as real news. I’ve noticed not only news but the documentaries and movies are without ads here. That’s really something… In Hong Kong people are bombarded with 5 min. ads after every 15 min. of program. You just feel like smashing the tv. So, I guess tv tax is a fair deal… you pay for quality, trust and your time.

We’re enjoying the new discoveries and new life in UK.

]]> by: Lindsay http://nirlog.com/2007/09/22/think-of-address-proof/#comment-76532 Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:07:54 +0000 http://nirlog.com/2007/09/22/think-of-address-proof/#comment-76532 Hi there, me again. Good news to hear you have found a place to live. It is interesting to see the view on our systems from somebody coming from another country, I can see that they sometimes look a little wierd heheh. I'm not on the defensive with this reply, but perhaps explaining it a little might help you to understand what the thinking is behind it. The address proof is mainly because of the amount of illegal immigrants that have managed to cross the border. The Government was pretty bad in setting up something to control this properlly. As a result they are putting this measure in place at the service application level to try and control where the tax payers money is going, and making sure it is going to legally registered citizens / visitors only, and that it doesnt all dissappear on unregistered, illegal citizens so there will not be enough left to cater for the legal people's needs and wants. Thats a generalisation, and aid and systems are in place, but as a sweeping generalisation, that is broadly why a traceable address is needed to gain access to anything over here. As for the BBC television license. I did used to agree with you about why are we paying for cable / satellite and other services, and we are forced to pay this TV license on top. Since then however I have seen the light. When we pay this license fee then the BBC isnt funded by advertising, so on a review program, say if Jeremy clarkson wants to say the new BMW is a pile of dung then he is free to do so because the program isnt sponsored by BMW and there isnt going to be a BMW advert come on in the middle. Also the BBC isnt silenced by any powers that be (Like the Rupert murdock enterprise or government) because it isnt funded by them either, it is funded by us the public, and as the funders, we demand an unbiased review. This means that when newspapers and other news stations may tend to give a slant on a story, you can be pretty sure that the BBC is giving you a straight forward, un biased report on the situiation and is usually the one to believe as being the closest to the truth. This is now unique in that it isn't funded and silenced by any other influence and in todays world of propaganda, I sincerely hope that the BBC continues to keep going with its world service, and news and documentaries. It can seem expensive to the British public, especially if you dont really listen to BBC radio or watch BBC television much, but I do think it is becomming a necessity for the world to have a service that you know you can trust as real news. :) Anyway, I wrote loads here so had best get on, I hope you and your son continue to enjoy your discoveries of the UK. Lins. Hi there, me again.
Good news to hear you have found a place to live.
It is interesting to see the view on our systems from somebody coming from another country, I can see that they sometimes look a little wierd heheh.
I’m not on the defensive with this reply, but perhaps explaining it a little might help you to understand what the thinking is behind it.

The address proof is mainly because of the amount of illegal immigrants that have managed to cross the border. The Government was pretty bad in setting up something to control this properlly. As a result they are putting this measure in place at the service application level to try and control where the tax payers money is going, and making sure it is going to legally registered citizens / visitors only, and that it doesnt all dissappear on unregistered, illegal citizens so there will not be enough left to cater for the legal people’s needs and wants. Thats a generalisation, and aid and systems are in place, but as a sweeping generalisation, that is broadly why a traceable address is needed to gain access to anything over here.

As for the BBC television license.
I did used to agree with you about why are we paying for cable / satellite and other services, and we are forced to pay this TV license on top.
Since then however I have seen the light. When we pay this license fee then the BBC isnt funded by advertising, so on a review program, say if Jeremy clarkson wants to say the new BMW is a pile of dung then he is free to do so because the program isnt sponsored by BMW and there isnt going to be a BMW advert come on in the middle. Also the BBC isnt silenced by any powers that be (Like the Rupert murdock enterprise or government) because it isnt funded by them either, it is funded by us the public, and as the funders, we demand an unbiased review. This means that when newspapers and other news stations may tend to give a slant on a story, you can be pretty sure that the BBC is giving you a straight forward, un biased report on the situiation and is usually the one to believe as being the closest to the truth.
This is now unique in that it isn’t funded and silenced by any other influence and in todays world of propaganda, I sincerely hope that the BBC continues to keep going with its world service, and news and documentaries.
It can seem expensive to the British public, especially if you dont really listen to BBC radio or watch BBC television much, but I do think it is becomming a necessity for the world to have a service that you know you can trust as real news.

:)
Anyway, I wrote loads here so had best get on,

I hope you and your son continue to enjoy your discoveries of the UK.

Lins.

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